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Lucas Distributor Advance curves and other stats and now Delco Remy Distributors as well
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This list is the
result of many hours of searching for proper settings during some of my past
experimentation and troubleshooting efforts. Trying my best, I have not included anything
here I could not verify from at least two different sources This list is in no way meant to be a declaration of true and
proper configurations. Many different
sources have been used to bring you this condensed list. Comments from list server
archives, list chats, BBS archives, charts and tables from books, lecture notes, hands-on
visual and physical inspections, and mechanic comments have all been brought together to
try and define the variations in operating hardware used, originally, throughout the
production history of the MGB, and now the Triumph Spitfire and GT6 models for the years
identified here. I can not comment on the specs regarding any other model than those listed. Although these components may have been used on others, I have no reference and make no claims as to the accuracy of all this info. ... a comment regarding standard 'philosophy of use' for vacuum advance types. The early U.S. and U.K. vacuum units were configured to advance the timing when cruising which gives better economy and lower running temperatures. There have been (at least) three variations on the theme used to control emissions and pinging (some may call it pinking).
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if you've got one... not listed, let me know! |
Distributor chart with vacuum advance unit information
and timing criteria (where available)
model
years used |
engine code | distributor
model # |
centrifugal advance in degrees @ rpm | vac
adv. unit part# |
Vac. spec |
vac source |
Static timing |
Dynamic timing |
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? | 1275cc 12CC/CE Midget MkIII Sprite MkIV |
40819 (23D4) |
0-3 @ 600 |
6-12 @ 1000 |
11-15 @ 2000 |
- | 22-26 @ 5200 |
28-32 @ 7000 |
none attached |
* | * | 7 BTDC |
22
BTDC @ 1200 |
? | 18G,
18GA, 18GB, 18GD, 18GG |
40897
(HC) (25D4) |
4 @ 600 |
6 @ 700 |
9 @ 900 |
15 @ 1600 |
20 @ 2200 |
- | * | 5.13.10 | p | 10 BTDC | 14
BTDC @ 600 |
? | 18G,
18GA, 18GB, 18GD, 18GG |
40916
(LC) (25D4) |
6 @ 600 |
8 @ 800 |
9 @ 1000 |
18 @ 3000 |
24 @ 4400 |
- | * | 4.10.12 | p | 10 BTDC | 12
BTDC @ 600 |
68-71 | 18GF, 18GH, 18GJ | 40897
(LC) (25D4) |
10 @ 400- 600 |
- | 24 @ 1500- 1750 |
- | 30 +-2 @ 3000 |
- | 54411230 | 5.13.10 | p | 10 BTDC | 20
BTDC @ 1000 |
? | 1098cc Midget MkI Sprite MkII |
40919 (25D4) |
0-1 @ 800 |
2-6 @ 1200 |
17-21 @ 2000 |
19-23 @ 1800 |
26-30 @ 4400 |
30-34 @ 6000 |
* | 5.13.10 | p | 5 BTDC |
8 BTDC @ 600 |
? | BMC
special tune C-BHA 44? |
40943 (HC) (25D4) |
0-1 @ 800 |
- | - | 16 @ 2000 |
- | 24 @ 6400 |
* | * | * | 12 BTDC |
12 BTDC @ 800 |
? | - | 41032 (25D4) |
0-3 @ 600 |
0-4 @ 700 |
2-7 @ 900 |
10-14 @ 1600 |
17-21 @ 2200 |
- | * | * | * | 10 BTDC | 14
BTDC @ 600 |
68-71 | 18GF, 18GH, 18GJ | 41155 (HC) (25D4) |
10 @ 400- 600 |
- | - | - | 24 @ 1500- 1750 |
30 +-2 @ 3000 |
* | * | * | 10 BTDC | 20
BTDC @ 1000 |
pre 71 | 1275cc 12CE/CD/V Midget MkIII Sprite MkIV |
41198 41270 (HC) (25D4) |
0-1 @ 600 |
2-6 @ 800 |
4-8 @ 1000 |
10-14 @ 2000 |
20-24 @ 3600 |
- | * | 5.8.3 | p | 7 BTDC |
13 BTDC @ 1200 |
post 71 | 1275cc Midget MkIII Sprite MkIV |
41229 (25D4) |
0-2 @ 600 |
2-6 @ 800 |
4-8 @ 1000 |
10-14 @ 2000 |
20-24 @ 3600 |
- | * | 5.8.3 | p | 7 BTDC |
13 BTDC @ 1200 |
69 | 18?? | 41264A (24D4) |
- | - | - | - | - | - | 54415625 | 5.11.8 | p | ? | ? |
pre 71 | 1275cc
12CD/CJ Midget MkIII Sprite MkIV |
41271 (HC) (25D4) |
4 @ 600 |
- | - | - | 19 @ 2300- 2500 |
30 @ 4300 |
* | 5.8.3 | p | 4 BTDC |
10
BTDC @ 1000 |
65-67 | 18V | 41288
(HC) (25D4) |
0-6 @ 600 |
4-9 @ 700 |
7-11 @ 900 |
13-17 @ 1600 |
18-22 @ 2200 |
- | 54411985 | 5.13.10 | p | 10 BTDC | 14
BTDC @ 600 |
71 | 1275cc
12CD/CJ Midget MkIII Sprite MkIV |
41229 (HC) (25D4) |
4 @ 600 |
- | - | 19 @ 2400 |
- | 30 @ 4300 |
* | 5.8.3 | p | 4 BTDC |
10
BTDC @ 1000 |
67 | 18V | 41290
(LC) (25D4) |
0-6 @ 600 |
6-10 @ 800 |
7-11 @ 1000 |
- | 16-20 @ 3000 |
22-26 @ 4400 |
54412170 | 5.11.7 | p | 10 BTDC | 14
BTDC @ 600 |
- | 18V | 41234 (HC) (25D4) |
0-1 @ 600 |
2-6 @ 1200 |
10-14 @ 2200 |
20-24 @ 3600 |
26-30 @ 4500 |
28-32 @ 6000 |
* | * | p | 10 BTDC | 14
BTDC @ 600 |
71 | 18GK | 41339 (LC) (25D4) |
- | 10 @ 900- 1100 |
- | 24 @ 2700- 2900 |
- | 30 +- 2 @ 4600 |
54414868 | 7.13.5 | m | 10 BTDC | 15
BTDC @ 1500 |
72 | 1275cc 12V Midget MkIII |
41369 (LC) (25D4) |
- | - | 15 @ 1800- 2000 |
24 @ 2700 |
- | 36 @ 4200 |
* | 4.9.5 | m | T.D.C | 9 BTDC @ 1500 |
72 | 18V 584Z 585Z |
41370 (25D4) |
- | - | 20 @ 1700- 2000 |
- | 35 @ 3300- 3900 |
41 +-2 @ 4800 |
54423989 | 7.13.5 | m | 10 BTDC | 16
BTDC @ 1500 |
- | 18V | 41391 (LC) (25D4) |
0-1 @ 600 |
2-6 @ 1200 |
10-14 @ 2200 |
20-24 @ 3600 |
26-30 @ 4500 |
28-32 @ 6000 |
* | * | p | 10 BTDC | 14
BTDC @ 600 |
73 | 1275cc Midget MkIII |
41400 (LC) (25D4) |
- | - | 15 @ 1800- 2000 |
24 @ 2700 |
- | 36 @ 4200 |
* | 10.15.5 | p | T.D.C | 9 BTDC @ 1500 |
73-74 | 18V 672Z 673Z |
41491 (LC) (25D4) |
- | - | 16 @ 1800- 2250 |
- | 32 @ 3600- 4050 |
39 +- 2 @ 4800 |
54425359 | 10.15.5 | m | 6 BTDC | 12
BTDC @ 1500 |
75-76 | 18V | 41599 (45D4) |
- | - | - | - | - | * | 54425516 | 10.15.5 | m | * | 13
BTDC @ 1500 |
77-80 | 18V | 41593 (45D4) |
- | 2-6 @ 1200 |
- | - | 26-30 @ 4500 |
* | * | 5.13.10 | p | * | 10
BTDC @ 1500 |
76 | Triumph 1500 |
41646 | 0-1 @ 800 |
6 @ 1500 |
8 @ 1700 |
12@ 3000 |
14 @ 3500 |
* | * | 5.11.7 retard |
m | 2
ATDC @ 800 |
model
years used |
engine code | distributor
model # |
centrifugal advance in degrees @ rpm | vac
adv. unit part# |
Vac. spec |
vac source |
Static timing |
Dynamic timing |
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69 | MGC entry courtesy Robert Edwards |
41224 (25D6) |
- | - | - | - | 18° max | - | 54418274 | 5.8.3 | p | 8°BTDC | 20
BTDC @ 1000 |
2000 MkI | 40967 (HC) (25D6) |
- | - | - | - | 11-13 @ 2100 |
- | * | * | * | * | * | |
2000 MkI | 40975 (LC) (25D6) |
- | - | - | - | 15
@ 2500 |
- | * | * | * | * | * | |
Vintesse | 41168 9.5:1 comp (22D6) |
0°@ <500 |
0-1°
@ 600 |
5-9°@ 1500 |
8-12°@ 2300 |
15-19°@ 4600 |
16-20°@ 6400 |
* | 6.20.22 | * | * | * | |
Vintesse | 41182 7.0:1 comp (22D6) |
0-2°@ 800 |
2-6°@ 1100 |
15-19°@ 2100 |
20-24°@ 2400 |
25-29°@ 4000 |
28-32°@ 5000 |
* | 4.20.22 | * | * | * | |
2.5 PI Mk1 |
41236 (25D6) |
- | - | - | - | - | 11
@ 3000 |
* | * | * | * | * | |
Vintesse | 41273 (2206) |
0-4°@ 800 |
4-8°@ 1200 |
10-14°@ 1800 |
12-16°@ 2000 |
16-20°@ 3000 |
20-24°@ 4000 |
* | 2.16.26 | * | * | * | |
2000 Mk2 ME1 |
41314 (25D6) |
- | - | - | - | 13 @ 2500 | - | * | * | * | * | * | |
2000 Mk2 ME50001 |
41378 (25D6) |
- | - | 9 @ 1800 |
- | - | - | * | * | * | * | * | |
2000 Mk2 ME92301 |
41452 (25D6) |
- | - | 9 @ 1800 |
- | - | - | * | * | * | * | * | |
2000 Mk2 ML20001 |
41621 (25D6) |
- | - | - | 11
@ 2300 |
- | - | * | * | * | * | * | |
2.5 PI MKII MG1 |
41236 (25D6) |
- | - | - | - | - | 11
@ 3000 |
* | * | * | * | * | |
2.5 PI MKII MG75001 |
41502 (25D6) |
- | - | 13
@ 1400 |
- | - | - | * | * | * | * | * | |
2.5 PI MKII MG82007 |
41543 (25D6) |
- | - | 13
@ 1500 |
- | - | - | * | * | * | * | * | |
2.5 PI MKII MG83620 |
41582 (25D6) |
- | - | 13
@ 1500 |
- | - | - | * | * | * | * | * | |
2500 TC MM45 |
41536 (25D6) |
- | - | 10
@ 1400 |
- | - | - | * | * | * | * | * | |
2500 TC MM20001 |
41624 (25D6) |
- | - | 7 @
1400 |
- | - | - | 544286 | 5.10.8 | * | * | * | |
2500 TC Australian market |
41654 (25D6) |
- | - | 11
@ 2000 |
- | - | - | * | * | * | * | * |
notes:
1. | (HC) = high compression (LC) = low compression |
2. | Vacuum spec numbers = start.end.total IE: 10.15.5 would start advancing at 10 Hg of vacuum, max adv. would be reached at 15 Hg ...for a total change of 5 degrees. 5 distributor degrees = 10 crankshaft degrees Also note some spec 'spans' don't match the start/end |
3. | vacuum source - P=ported (carb tap) M=manifold tap |
4. | - = no specification * = unknown data point |
I need to hunt down the 4 cyl specs
model
years used |
engine code | Delco distributor model # |
centrifugal advance in degrees @ rpm | vac
adv. unit part# |
Vac. spec |
vac source |
Static timing |
Dynamic timing |
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66 - | Spitfire MK I |
7953291 (D202) sp 213186 |
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vac. adv. spec | degrees @ in/hg |
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68-70 | Spitfire MKII |
79?? (D200) sp 214088 |
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vac. adv. spec | degrees @ in/hg |
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68-70 | Spitfire MKIII |
7953460 (D200) sp 214088 |
0 @ < 800 |
3-8 @ 800 |
12-16@ 1450 |
15-19@ 2200 |
18-22@ 3000 |
26.5@ 5000 |
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vac. adv. spec | degrees @ in/hg |
0° |
- | 5.5° 11 |
7.5° 15 |
7.5° >15 |
with vernier knob |
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model
years used |
engine code | Delco distributor model # |
centrifugal advance in degrees @ rpm | vac
adv. unit part# |
Vac. spec |
vac source |
Static timing |
Dynamic timing |
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66 - | GT6
MK I 2 liter |
7953291 (D202) sp 213186 |
0-3@ 900 |
7-11@ 1650 |
9-13@ 2400 |
12-16@ 3600 |
15-19@ 4800 |
18°@ 5000 |
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vac. adv. spec | degrees @ in/hg |
0° 0-3.8 |
starts 3.8-6.2 |
8° 8.6-11.0 |
14° 12.2-14.6 |
18° 14.6-17.0 |
22° 20 |
adv
& retard module |
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68-70 | GT6+ 2 liter |
7953547 (D204) sp 308372 |
0 @ 850 |
0-2.6@ 1000 |
9.2-16@ 1750 |
13.6-18.4@ 2400 |
18.4-22.8@ 3600 |
24-28@ 5000 |
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vac. adv. spec | degrees @ in/hg |
0° 4-6 |
starts 4-6 |
- | 8-12° 11 |
13-17° 14 |
22° 20 |
adv
& retard vac ports |
with vernier knob |
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GT6 MKII 2 liter |
7953681 D200 sp 215511 |
0° @ 400 |
- | 7-11°@ 1600 |
14-18°@ 3200 |
16-21°@ 3200 |
20-24°@ 4400 |
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vac. adv. spec | degrees @ in/hg |
- | 2° starts |
0-4° 4 |
6-10° 8 |
14-18° 13 |
14-18° 20 |
advance module |
with vernier knob |
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72-73 | GT6 MKIII | 7992127 | |||||||||||
Delco part numbers 79xxx= Delco p/n, D2xx=model sp xxx= Stanpart #
...update... Lucas Tuning manual now on-line!
OK guys and gals... if you've made it this far.... here's a little, SUPER
RARE to acquire tidbit that will make it all make sense. QUESTION? So how
do you 'tune' a Lucas distributor? |
(c)1987-2002 |
last edited 12/06/09 |
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